Hello Snakey, i think it's fine that you sent the linkage via IM. The artists may not like to get their work discussed over here. But as my answers are true on a lot of other shots too, i give it into the forums. I hope this is ok with you! :) In both cases, the images themselves are quite big. Nr. 2 is almost at the limit of 500kByte (no need to be THAT big). First, that is a reason for lot's of people not to look into the big images. No problem with DSL but there are people on dial-up (as Cindy for example). Second, this can be a problem with the thumbs as there is a limit of 15 kB too. If you can't get the image into a reasonable size, chances are that you can't get a 200*200 thumb beyond the 15k-limit. I've once asked the same question to an artist. He answered: my thumbs keep getting 40kB and bigger .. all because of not getting jpg-compression to work. That has been a reason for him to use a very small (and very ugly) thumbs. Bad thing as the shots were great .. as are the ones you've posted. Yep, those people need help .. thank you for giving it to them! :-) Tom