Geeze there's just no talking to some people. Facts and common sense seem to have no place as long as they can win their point. So I'm outta this thread after I make this point: To all others debating the OS problem...CL says Poser 5 will work with Win98. If it won't work with 98, then the responsibility lies with CL, not the user, to make it work. If they can't or won't make it work, they should recant their statements and issue refunds. No matter who says what about what, no matter what excuses or workarounds are offered, the fact remains that P5 still does not work as advertised on many systems that meet or exceed the system specs. I've said this before but here I go again: I like Poser. I want to see it succeed. But I don't think it can as long as CL keeps pumping out bad/OLD code and people just sit back and take it. And when someone does report problems, the flag-wavers blame them, call them names, and make excuses for the software. You don't get problems fixed by shooting the messengers. But you DO get fewer "complaints." People just stop posting about it. Big help that is.