Thanks, I have read those so many times. It is something I am missing. Most those are for atmosphere and how to get those effects. It is the distance effects I haven't found a tutorial that has settings for cameras or what ever it is I am looking for. Would like to see in a picture tutorial the settings of terrians, objects and camera. Guess I am looking for a tutorial with step by step from beginning to end of the various steps to put one those images like those users that are so good at it are doing. Hard to explain what I am looking for but hope someone will understand. For atmoshere, mood and alpha planes those links you gave me are some the best to be found anywhere. erka and Thomas are excellent with giving good instructions in their tutorials.

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