Now ....you are gettting at what I am looking for. Scale examples from people who are capable of doing these types of scenes. Camera settings and how they effect the view. Would like to see examples in real pictures like a tutorial. How the different settings effect the different views. How they get those small objects to show so clear but so far away. It is like the objects are miles and miles away but you still know what they are. Is this making any sensce at all to the ones who are reading this. I will luck on what I am trying to accomplish sooner or later and it will proably be so simple once I see it done in pictures or a tutorial. I have seen a couple new things that will help me from those sample scenes that I hadn't noticed before so maybe I need to keep going back to them for awhile untill someone sees what it is I am after. :) Thanks agiel you have been most helpful. :o)

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