Oops....it's CE, but CE+ as opposed to the CE that is on magazine covers, and Maxon claims it is identical to XL6 (but then why isn't it CALLED XL6? Could Maxon maybe make up their minds instead of spawning version numbers all over the place?) Anyhow... http://www.maxonshop.com/cgi-bin/us/gp?pg=products/cinema4d.ce I've been messing with the magazine-cover version and there are some things I like about the workflow (such as, all modelling operations can be performed in the main window). Maxon uses a system by which an object with some editable properties is a child of an object with other editable properties, and I find that potentially powerful but difficult to adjust to. In Carrara an object has editable properties, including extras (plug-ins) which can be added to it, and that is more intuitive to me. I definately like the modelling tools, too, but I'm afraid that many would go unused because I either didn't remember they were there (like the ever-multiplying PhotoShop filters) or had to waste so much brain-power figuring out how the thing would save me time that I could have finished doing it the long way already. But then, I'm still using Carrara's Dynamic Extrusion tool muchly because I can't be bothered to struggle with cleaning up splines.