Getting back on topic... Simon, the vote thing is something that I never considered because I hardly ever look at the Hot 20. I will try to use more votes when I think they are deserved in future. Vivian, newbies are a special case and need handling carefully if they're not to be sent running for cover. It can be very intimidating and I think everyone knows from personal experience how much courage it takes to post that very first image. When do they stop becoming newbies and become oldbies though? Kat, maybe you should think about joining the ARSE campaign, i'm gonna see if I can get a petition started. LOL. Matt.