Phil - Your hood moves down and sits around the neck great! I've fiddled with this one to get the hood to fold down but... Used the JP editor and morphs but I think I left the neck to long... tomorrow I'll re-cut the mesh and see if I can improve it. Sharky - thanks! I've been admiring your's and Phil's work for a long time... gives me something to shoot for! I'll post an update after I re-cut the mesh and get a belt made. --Byron