slightly unfair, ninasteel -- Poser 4 doesn't have collision at all (even faulty) and it doesn't have dynamic hair. I can't say SR4 is a total waste -- they fixed things that have haunted poser since version 3 (the file lookup issue, for one), and they did add several improvements to poser 5 as it is. I will agree that Dynamic hair collisions still need work -- that's an issue caused by the algorithms that determine collsions. And they do work in general -- the guide hairs themselves are affected by collisions in my work, it's the additioanl hairs that are not. Ok, yeah, it's the hairs other than the guide hairs that are important, I know, I know... But there is a lot more to Poser 5 than just those things...

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)