thip, No problem. :) I love Vue, but I didn't mean to give the impression that I don't like Bryce 4. Thing is, I got them at about the same time, but Vue made it to my door first by two days. I just haven't messed with Bryce much, because I'm kind of confused in there, and Vue's alot easier, to me at least. So I can't really say anything about what Bryce 4 is or isn't capable of compared to Vue, but I can tell you this: I have a 600 MHZ Athlon CPU, and though I've made some fairly complex pictures with Vue, not one yet has taken more than half an hour to render... just something you might want to think about...Also,it'd be a damn shame if Bryce were allowed to simply die, because I do know at least that it's DIFFERENT from Vue...somehow, I think Bryce pictures seem just ever so slightly more believable, but then again I'm by no means an expert at either program. Vue's soft shadows do work well, though. To tell you a secret here, I didn't even know about the soft shadow settings until you asked this question here, so I have to thank you for causing me to look into it! Cheers, Mike