A clarification, as I was under the weather last night with a migraine, and simply could not muster the strength to sit here and compose a nice long response. "Excuse me, but I never said I found the statue offensive as a result of it's penis, erect or not. I don't think you've actually read my posts. Or, if you have you haven't understood them." I never said that "you" personally found the statue offensive. What I said was if it offends you (meaning the term "you" as the viewer, and not necessarily Rickymaveety.) then don't view it. Americans need to grow up and get over this fear of the nude thing, it is a very natural state of being. The penis has been a subject in art for a very long time. I don't see what the big fuss is over it being erect or flacid, maybe we need to rewrite the TOS? "Art depicting murder, heck, just nudes in general would have to be banned ... it's certainly illegal here to go out naked in public." Murder is a crime,a heinious one at that, and I personally do not think that there should be any postings here of such a depiction. Being nude however, is not a crime, we have these wonderful nude public beaches here in Florida. And for those that want to live without the confines of clothing there are always nudist camps (we have a ton of those too!). I can post some pix of the nude beach for you if you would like. My debate Rickymaveety, was never with you personally, but rather with the TOS and those that make judgement whether or not an image stays. My point being that fairness needs to be a consideration, Gerhard's image should have never been taken down unless the person that removed his image was willing to go in to the gallery and remove all of the images of nude models that had erect nipples. It really is very simple in my eyes, what I said had nothing to do with children being raped, murder by strangulation or erections from strangulation, this is where you muddied the waters in my eyes, trying to divert attention from the subject at hand. What I said was that the TOS needed to apply to everone equally, and ya know what? maybe we need to revise the TOS. OK I have said my peace, Ricky if you want to coninue this discussion, look me up on the RR IM, as I will not click on this thread again, the horse has been dead for quite a while and it has been beaten beyond recognition me thinks. Group hugs! Peace out!