Okay, back to the Ribbon and Rope Crosstalk problem. I have opened up the cr2s and objs in WordPad and replaced all the bone_s with new lables. Now the rope names for each joint is called "Section_1 and so on". This applys to internal names also. All the joints in the ribbon are called "Joint_1 and so on" as well as all internal names. I have also set the Crosstalk prefix in on both items differently using the Same QT1 prefix but adding a few more numbers like desribed in the help files. One item still always is a slave to the other one. If I pose the rope, the ribbon does and identical pose. I am going to send this message to Ajax also. marty