thanks everyone, i tried out the coolpage webpage maker, and was experimenting... for the life of me i can't figure out why some can see and some can't... it might be the frames, it might be the no hotlinking thing...maybe some pc firewall setups try to use it as hotlinks instead of direct links? i'm not sure.. I'll keep workin on it... oh and yes, the 404 error for the psp gallery i know about, i haven't had time to add it yet, and i need to redo the 404 itself so it links back to the plain index, not the full index with frames. And Zhann, i can put in a thing like at 3d commune so that when each individual picture is clicked it goes back one screen, but to do that i think i'd end up having to make a page for each one, right now it just links to the picture itself on the server. slips back off to do some redesigning and thought Jen