Really? Edgenet is a business. They are in business for business's sake, to make money. They MUST make money, or their board of directors, or whomever makes these decisions will take away the very resources this so called community runs off of. Poser users are lucky they chose Poser to use as a showcase for their easeforum platform, instead of antique cars, 3d Studio Max, or MP3's ;P Have any of you ever done SQL database coding? Have any of you ever coded in c++ till your fingers were sore, and your wrists had carpel tunnel syndrome? Have any of you ever put forth the money it takes to host such a bandwidth as this? Jack and Ed did NOT pay for this. Really. Edgenet did. And Edgenet paid Roy Riggs, Tim Choate, their sysadmins, their easeforum developers, their front office staff, their human resources staff, their hardware and software, etc. I put up database sites all the time, with less staff than Edgenet no doubt supports, that wind up costing the company that puts them up well over $500,000.00 Database site coding is EXPENSIVE. Jack and Ed did lose money, but only because they chose to devote their time here, instead of to working for a living at a paying job to maintain them till this paid off if ever. So they got farther and farther behind in their bills. That is all.