Edgenet provided the space, true. But it was Willow, Ian, Jack and Ed that built the site up. Why should Edgenet have any claim to what is here? If Edgenet didnt host the site I'm sure the forum wouldve found another host somewhere. Edgenet should count themselves fortunate that we stuck around after the last blowout a year ago. This whole site is the community's "intellectual property". Edgenet has no right to it, not even the database. Like the rest of you, I'm thumbing my nose up at Edgenet (and some other body parts we wont mention), but will still lurk in the background to see what the community finally does to Edgenet. Dave