To draculaz and rickymaveety, I am interested in your comments. How about, I put up the tutorial (give me a week to prepare it) and then you could tell me your ideas on how to "mangle it"! I find I can manage some projects using gray scale and the terrain editor, but others elude me. Bryce is wonderful, but because it is so "clean" anything one makes using primatives is also "clean", yet reality is often very imperfect. So finding ways to make Bryce more like reality and imperfect (actually, that sounds kind of dumb, doesn't it?-- don't we strive for perfection-- no wait, that was my 6th grade teacher--) would be very interesting. Thanks for the comments!