Thanks heaps guys,I will play with your suggestions and view the links but after putting up the post I decided that the one thing I had'nt tried was a "Gel" and bingo there it was. 18 hours of rendering later here I have the Desired effect and I'm sure with a bit more tweaking of the Gel it could be perfect,but that will have to wait a wee while as work demands are pretty intense this month.

Cheers
GG.

WHO said Kiwi's can't Fly ?????