Well, I'm slow:( Sorry. I meant to post this sooner, but got distracted (it happens to me a lot) Here was the first attempt I did with metaforms and water. Ignore the crappy UV work on the stones and stuff...still trying to learn doing the 3d stuff. This was a single emitter in a tube, I think a deflector and the circular metaform thing (sorry, it's late and I'm having trouble remembering the words:) I simply exported and loaded the geometry into the scene. One thing I did learn, the bamboo tube was originally the deflector for the water, but there was some weird translation...so I loaded the bamboo, lined the metaform cylinder up within it, and then created the water without any real geometry in the scene....I'm sure that will be worked out at some point. I'll post a later render next where I was a little more familiar with the metaform tool. eric