OK, the next one was the same idea for the spout, but the pool was the same circular metaform (with wave) and 4 emitters shooting water in different directions. I also adjusted the amount of gravity...as well as many of the parameters that are only available after you ran the emission once! I think there is still some work to be done in order to make it "right", but it's a heck of a lot easier than modeling the stuff from scratch! (especially for slowpokes like me:P) The material here was literally just the normal low transparency with some highlight and a touch of color....I think I used a little reflection map in them both, but not much. I think this one would have looked better had there been something under that mid portion of the trickle, or had I rendered over a lighter color...but the pool looks more natural than the earlier image. I didn't know there were mats available at the time i rendered these (and haven't had time to reopen them.) eric