I am beginning to think that both parties in this fiasco have taken and passed "Mass Manipulation 101". While it does not change my opinion that Edgenet has absolutley no business whatsoever getting involved in community goings on, and who runs/moderates this site; I have to admit, I have issues with how Ed and Jack are handling this. Admittedly, they are upset with what has happened, and rightfully so; but I do not care for certain discrepencies. ex: the email that was sent out stated that they had been removed as admin (true), but it was also stated as fact that they had been banned/locked out of the site entirely. When Edgenet denied that anyone had been banned from the site, no one stepped forward to refute it, but the story did change ever so slightly to...(paraphrased) Well, we thought that if we posted this then we would surely be banned". Projecture and fact are completely different animals. There also seem to be other, subtle manipulations in the way things are said ( or not said), to sway peoples view to the extreme. EdgeNets response: 1. Effective, Sept 16, the admin privileges for Jack and Ed were removed. As a direct result of their statements and actions, they were no longer able to fulfill their obligations under their operating agreement with EdgeNet. This is unfortunate because in our opinion, they did a good job managing the site and growing membership. More details on the reasons behind this in a minute, but first, a few pieces of information. What statement? What actions? What obligations? What information? Lots of little half snippets here and there, but nothing substantial. Edgenet, I really want to know the nature of your involvement with Renderosity. Why are you so involved in the politics here? This is the first I've ever heard of a host company getting directly involved in the management of thier hosted sites. You are the host, you provide the server and the domain name. The webmasters manage and maintain the site, and make sure you get paid for your services. If you are not getting paid, or making a profit from Renderosity in some other way; why are we still here? Why wasn't Renderosity shut down when you supposedly started losing money because of it? That's just good business sense...and you are a business; no one, at least not me, faults you for that. As far as I'm concerned, you have no right to barge in here and change things around. Criminy! That's like my mother coming into my house and rearranging my kitchen, or worse, how to raise my children (pardon the children analogy, but that's what some people are acting like we are...and frankly, how some people are behaving). I am angry. I feel intruded upon, and trod upon; and I don't like this feeling of being manipulated into taking sides within the community...I won't do it.