Anyone who thinks the P5 manual is helpful must be reading a different manual. They use terms or menu names in the manual that are not in the program. Ooops maybe they didn't know what the terms would be when the manual was written? You are instructed to use processes or items which don't exist. Oh, and don't forget all the stuff that is called for in the tutorials that didn't make it into the Program CD. I think there was a waterfall.jpg background file that was essential for at least one tutorial.. Oooops it didn't appear till several weeks or months after Poser 5 was released. You get the idea.