thanks Keith for your comments, i appreciate them very much, William you too, i honour them very much ... and although i have been throwing in my own windows with my comments on some ppl, it doesn't scare me away, and will design more fractal-look-a-likes, i enjoy every day how many ppl view my stuff, and most of them are keeping the silence ... oh and cyble13, thanks for the art community you posted in here, now i can really see what my stuff looks like fullsized on the net ... its really WYSIWYG :-))