This is probably one of the better threads in this whole mess. I agree, Edgenet has no business in the day to day running of the community, that is not their job, their job is to serve as host..unless of course there is something in a contract that says they can do otherwise for whatever reason. I would love to hear from Edgenet as to why Jack and Ed's ( and others) privileges were revoked...frankly I would love to hear both sides of the story... I pulled my stuff and made my public statement because at this point I do not trust Edgenet to keep my good interests (my meaning the community) at heart. When the dust settles I'll figure out what is going on and then do what I think is best as everyone else will also. Momcat, this is the second time that Edgenet has done something underhanded to the builders of this community, so in my book they are a higher suspect in this drama then anyone else. I smell greed a bit on both sides yes, but I still think that in the end...Jack and Ed do have the interests of the community at heart whereas Edgenet just looks at us as dollar signs to be sold off to the highest bidder and then be done with us..... The problem with this is, no matter who is trying to sell what to whom (and I take it that what is wanted is the membership database) is that no one has the right to sell our names and personal info to anyone. Now to be fair, if they really want to do this, why don't they offer each and every member a piece of the action too? It is afterall our info to do with as we please.....and frankly I'm getting really tired of giving MY info away for free...(read this last with tongue in cheek please) Corporate politics destroys the feeling of "freedom" in a community...in a community of artisians and artists politics has no place...it stifles creativity and distracts us from what we really set out to do, build and participate in a community where we can get help, show off our wares and generally enjoy the free exchange of knowledge from a unique group of individuals... The bottom line is Edgenet could give a rat's a** about what we think, because if that were true, then Ed and Jack would be where they were prior to Sept 16th and so would the other moderators that they kicked. They made a business decision without considering the impact it would have in the community...we didn't come here and stay because of Edgenet, we stayed because of what Jack and Ed did to help us foster a community. This is OUR community and if need be we will do whatever we have to do to rebuild just like in real life when a disaster strikes...you rebuild and go on. Whether it's here or somewhere else. If this results in a split again...some will go, some will stay and some will visit both sites just as some of us visit both Renderosity and the PFO now. It's a personal choice. I was not manipulated into pulling my things, nor will I be manipulated into going elsewhere. I can assure you that if I go it will be because I want to not because someone has convinced me to. I have done what I felt was right because of my observations in this unfolding drama. The community has already been changed irrecovably, no matter what happens from here on out.