Thank you Jeff, I think I'll do just that. This isn't a very happy place right now, but I suspect it will die down in a few weeks. I am taking no sides, and I will contribute wherever I damn well feel like. Hopefully, Renderosity will survive, and so will Jack and Ed's place...whenever it gets up and running. All this really means, when it comes right down to it, is that there will be even more resources available. Pardon my profanity, but: FUCK POLITICS! LET'S POSE! PS: Any ideas as to why it's taking so long to load pages here these days? Things started slowing down sometime last week and it's steadily getting worse (yes, I cleaned my cache)