Spinner, you're saying "We're dogging Poser, but we're not dogging Poser the way you say we're dogging Poser, so it's legitimate dogging." Art is the way you express yourself, plain and simple. If I choose to express myself by making paintings by using dog poop than that's how I express myself and it's art whether Siskel and Ebert give it two thumbs up or not. I cannot take credit for the liquid consistancy of dog poop, nor the smell, but, it is my chosen form of expression. It is art of some sort or another, regardless whether it is politically correct to accept it as so. And that's what it's really all about isn't it? The 'correctness' of how art is made. Well, you Poser guys buy everything you use, you don't actually create anything, it's all 'imitation', it's not 'correct' like what we're pushing out over here in our toilet. "We don't associate with those 'Poser' swine, they're not real artists like us" The children giggled on the playground pushing the poor Poser child away from their 'correct' circle. The ninja, the musician, the painter, the sculpter, the writer, they all express themselves differently. But here, all this time, we didn't know what the 3d modelling community knows; that there is a correct way to express yourself and thankfully they are here to set forth the parameters that dictate what is and is not 'correct' self-expressionism.