Original Post: Politically correct isnt the issue here, I couldnt care less about politically correct - I -do- care about good imagery, regardless of application. All I am saying is that I understand the people who slam the poser users because there is a decided lack of creativity in a lot of stuff that is in the Poser gallery. As far as I am concerned, paint by numbers can look pretty nifty too, but this is going nowhere, because you're intent on being a slammed artist, not an amateur. There is also a hefty reading words and attitudes into what I am saying that I never intended, and thereby also demonstrating yet another fine trait of the generic Poser user; a distinct martyr-complex mixed with an ingrained disability to take anything non-commiserating about Poser as something not an attack. One thing I didnt add to my last post is that most 3D galleries have something called a focused critique forum. If you had that in the Poser community here, it'd never work, due to the persisting desire of most Poserites to take any piece of critique as a personal attack - and hence, they stay stuck in their work, without really progressing anywhere. And as far as progress goes - This isnt going anywhere, so thank you all for the fabulous refresher course into common traits and attitudes when it comes to debates like these, I don't have anything else to contribute to the discussion, so I'll see you 'round :-) ~S Edit: Mon... drian ? ...net? ...Miro ? no, that was a woman... Things are fine };-) Humming along to Tom Lehrer's "Poisoning Pigeons in the park" - it's a very springlike day here, all white and sunny :-) I also wish people would learn to spell - how can they insist on being taken seriously when they can't even spell the concepts they compare themselves with ? ~S(ayonara...)