Actually, my original post was about the kind of people whose judgment is wholly influenced by a single detail. It's the kind of person that can look at an image and "ooh and ahh" at it till they find out it was made with Poser and immediately think it's crap. It's the kind of person that can like somebody and immediately hate them upon learning of their race or religion or whatever. If you want to talk about the dislike of the original P4 figures or Koshini or whatever, things start moving into the realm of taste. People can and will discuss and argue over their personal tastes, but there are some things people will always love and some things people will always hate. I don't like chocolate. Somebody can give me the best chocolate cake in the world and I still won't like it. I wouldn't sweat over the people who don't like Koshini or cartoonish characters because it's their personal tastes and they'll never like the kind of cutesy images being produced no matter how well they're done. A person, who does not understand that their tastes are not universal, can be as obnoxious as somebody who is prejudiced, but it's still not quite the same thing. If somebody hands me a cake and I think it's great, and later find out it has chocolate in it, I'm prejudiced if I suddenly say it's bad. The reality would be that I've found a chocolate product I like. It's not bad because it's chocolate. It's just that chocolate, as a general taste, isn't something I care for. I won't typically try a chocolate flavored product, not because I hate chocolate with an irrationality, but because I how many times I have to taste different variations of something that I probably won't like. It can almost seem like prejudice, but it's not. To that extent, there's some real reasons for people to not be enamored with Poser. Poser is somewhat of a one trick pony. Anybody who wants to do a scenic image is best moving to a program that has better scenery creation capabilities. There can be a sameness to a lot of Poser images in the galleries. Considering that Poser is a figure manipulation program, it's not surprising that figure studies are a mainstay in the galleries. The creativity of the individual is always paramount in producing a successful creative image. A good artist will create something stunning in just about any medium whereas a lesser artist can't do anything good whether they're using Poser, Max, oils, or crayolas. As was mentioned, if a client wants an illustration, the client doesn't care if it's done with an existing pose, character, texture, and props. It either looks good or it doesn't. The client isn't going to pay the Maya purist, who put 200 hours into a purely Maya created image, any more than the Poser artist who did it in half an hour. P4 figures are not as good as current Millennium figures. That doesn't mean they're bad figures. They're just not as detailed or as versatile as the newer ones. Slap some good morphs on them and a nice texture and, for most purposes, they remain very useful figures. Thorne created some stunning P4 fairies that demonstrate how much can be done with the P4 female. If I were going to do a Poser image with dozens of figures, I'd be using P4 figures. There's still a place for them and there's a lot of freebies out there for those figures. They're not bad figures, but there are better ones for a not unreasonable price.