Ummmm, g-f-x? =MY= VuePro does not crash, and this is with VuePro, Poser5, Bryce5, PSP8, Shade7 demo, Pbooost, DW's UTC, MSVC++6, a borrowed legitimate) copy of Premiere, Truespace 5, Winzip, Winace, WinRAR, WinImange, Magix Audio and Midi studio, Opera 7, Eudora 5, Agent 2, Winamp 3, Veritas RecordNow, Sonic MyDVD, the VB and VCC 5-6-7 runtimes, Quicktime 6 pro,enough codecs to choke a virtual horse, Norton Utilities and Internet Security (the latter of which is slightly broken; beware of Norton AntiSpam. It broke it, and I'm not in the mood the strip what I have down to the metal again), and I'm still only about halfway to what my old install consisted of. And my only contact with E-on is through their Oregon sales office when I've gotten the products. I hope I haven't ragged on anyone who has been having trouble; but this involves computer platforms. And dealing with issues there can be a lot like dealing with medical issues. The problem might be exactly what it looks like...or it might be a phantom pain from a real problem elsewhere. I've had to almost physically fight with some know it alls who were sure X was the issue. Only it turned out to be something else; one of the most common issues currently is the construction order of drivers on a clean install. If you don't get the install order correct, you will have trouble later...and most of the time, it has little to do with what the driver actually does. You haven't been one of the problem children, iloco; any tech support would prefer a reasonable caller like you. But there are those who seem to find it more satisfying to creeb about their problem(s) than actually do anything about it. Too many newbie users seem to have fallen for the fallacy that computers are 'appliances' and should be able to work like a toaster, when the reality is that they are incredibly complex multi-purpose tools. Kathy; I'm one of the happy ones. I did have a couple of issues with VuePro when it came out; the folder of 3rd App plugins was missing (got left off accidentally), and the RenderCow was non functional (an old build was put on the CD). That has been fixed, and things are running very smoothly. I don't have Max, so no idea. Poser interactions have been very smooth, with a couple of caveats. Vue (any flavor) depends on exact pathnames to find things like textures and transmaps, where Poser (any flavor) does a recursive search in the texture tree if it doesn't find what was specified. Vue can't take advantage of that, so you have to make sure the paths are correct. With the beta of Mover 5, Poser 5's dynamic cloth and hair are easily useable outside the Poser environment for the first time(and it works =very well=). I have a 5 node rendergarden, and this works fairly well; the only issue I've run across is that when VuePro (or Vue4, for that matter) is acting as the network manager, it is relatively sensitive to packet collision. Having all 5 Cows trying to take textures pretty much leads to a crash of Vue. The workaround is simply starting on RenderCow, waiting until it is actually rendering a frame, then starting the next Cow in the series. Bryce is next to dead, unless (a)Corel gets a clue, or (b) Someone prys Bryce out of their clutches before rigor mortis sets in. On the other hand, the current release is sub $100, so if you find it cheap, no reason not to go for it. But be warned that getting Poser content into Bryce is an Adventure...and not for the timid. The one time I played with a World Builder demo I quickly uninstalled it. 'User Unfriendly' is a good description.