Hey all, I know this thread is ancient, and all water under the bridge now, but since I sorta took on the task of defending CL in it, I wanted to clarify one important thing: I completely agree with the principle of ranting - of complaining when something is unacceptable. What I find questionable is: * insults, rudeness, total lack of respect for someone; * paranoia that someone is deliberately doing something bad (e.g. poorly supporting Victoria import). So when I ask "what do some of the ranters here hope to accomplish"? I'm talking about the TONE of some rants, not the concrete content of the complaints. Granted, Poser5 initial release was ASTONISHINGLY buggy. No wonder it brought out extreme reactions! -- ToolmakerSteve (aka ssshaw) [I had given up on this thread in disgust; just now stumbled across it, realized people had some important responses to my comments. Sorry if I left the impression I was ignoring the responses.]