hmmm,I'll have to try it agin. Perhaps I did copy something from the wing's base section. I long deleted the attempt so I can't check it. I did eventually complete the animation; actually it was a cupid who flew into screen, aimed his bow & and arrow and shot it into the viewers, then flew off back off screen. It took so long posing each flap of both wings through out the whole animation that I just never tried it again... I've always wanted to do ani's of fairies but gave up after that frustrating attempt. Maybe now with this tute and your example I'll give it another go... ;p