Well, thanks for your own special brand of subtle and razor sharp wit, ScottA. The suggestion to make morphs for the joints at extreme bending positions is a good one. Moreover, one I am capable of trying. As your sharp senses obviously picked up from the picture I posted. Increasing the map size is an idea I have heard before but obviously forgot. Thanks for the reminder. One's memory starts to decline after passing puberty, as you'll no doubt find out for yourself one day. As for adjusting joint parameters; I may indeed be too stupid, too old, too fat or just plain too ugly to work out the best way of using the jp's, but when I have an image that is really important to me I might give it a try. Regarding all the JH B.S. as you call it, have you ever read 1984, by G.Orwell? 'Suppose not, well you could try Animal Farm, by the same author, I hear there is a comic-book version of that. Thanks again for the useful suggestions. IsaacNewton