RReynolds - does the thread make it clear to you why Poser is such a looked down-upon app ? Having said that; you may want to check out Martin Murphy's stuff - noone would argue with the artistry in those images: http://www.artsforge.com/martin/murphy.html Or even the CL gallery; some of the images have that distinct Poser look, which I am afraid it's all about; you can tell the app by looking at the figures, and that takes a focus away from the art, and hence, people also frown at that; kinda like the lightray in an old ruin in Max. http://www.curiouslabs.com/imagecatalogue/image/list/3/parent/30 if you don't like chocolate, but got chocolate, and unexpectedly so - that gut-reaction of "oh, ick" will still be there, probably until the generic chocolate will be of a palatable standard to -you- personally, or whomever else doesnt like chocolate ;-) ~S