Always good stuff there. I didn't have any real loyalties to Jack and Ed, but the guy who is apparently the new king has seriously turned me off. Rudeness and censorship isn't going to heal the breach, ya know? And just alienates the middle-grounders like me. Anyway, I'll try and get reinvolved with the Vue Forum on Egroups. Geez, I take a month or two off from 3d and look what happens! Gail