Art is an expression of oneself. Plain and simple. Those who critique another artist's work and the tools he uses is merely egotistical. I have been an artist all of my life using such mediums as crayons (in kindergarten... heheh), pastels, charcoal, pen and ink, acrylics and more. I could do an awesome drawing in crayola crayons alone and of course someone would laugh because I used crayons. "Crayons are for sissies", they might blurt out. On the other hand, their own art probably sucks to hell and back, but they did it in oils and that makes it "real" art. I have graduated from those other mediums and now model in Rhino. I also use Poser and find it is a very intuitive program. I still have some flexibility in that I can rig my own figures with Pro Pack and can do many things more easily than I can with Max (which I also own). I am an impatient bastage when it comes to learning some of these proggies and I still haven't learned all the lighting tricks , etc to make great renders, but I'm working on it slowly. It is interesting that I would choose to model in Rhino over Max. My reason is that Max's interface is very convoluted. Rhino being strictly a modeling program is straightforward and I don't have to sift through hundreds of tools to find what I need. Rhino makes it easier for me to be creative whereas Max rely's on too much technical BS. Do I knock Max because I can't stand the interface? Nope. It's a great program, it's just not for me. Some artists just need to get a grip and shut their traps. No wonder there are so many "starving artists". They are the one's who think they are better than everyone else and therefore alienate themselves from the rest of society ;); or at least... the rest of us ;). I wonder if they are just starving for attention, in that case... they are getting what they wanted. ---Will