LOL, No Spinner...not at all. It was aimed at the issue that brought up this post about various artists and art groups which singly out other artist's works because of the tools they choose to work with. To me, this method of being exclusionary is biased and ludicrous. There are some artists whose work I dislike for my own tastes, but that doesn't mean that they suck as artists and doesn't mean that the tools they choose to work with suck. It could, however, mean that they are still learning and adapting to the toolset they are using. When one first picks up a paintbrush he isn't, suddenly, a Michelangelo even though the drive and talent may be there. It takes time to learn how to use that brush and the medium that is being applied. To further that, someone who is used to working with oils, may try out acrylics and not paint as well because the medium is quite different. He'll just need to take some time to get the feel for acrylics. I, myself, prefer acrylics over oils because they dry very quickly and the colors are more vibrant, however, I'm not going to criticise another artist for using watercolors, oils or even Crayola crayons for that matter. I, myself, can draw just about anything I can imagine, but can't do the same in Photoshop or PSP and I don't do the greatest renders in Poser. Is it the tools that are the problem? Is it the artist? Not at all. At the moment, however, I prefer to do creative 3D elements in Rhino, but if I took the time to study the lighting, camera angles etc ..I'm sure I could do some awesome things with Poser. It just doesn't interest me as much as modeling a 3D object. Furthermore, I was just stressing the point that art is an expression of oneself and not defined by things which many of us would consider aesthetically pleasing. I was not aiming anything I said at any individual but to the ideas that promote some unforgiving artistic prejudice that is so ridiculous that it is laughable. I think some artists allow their ego to get in the way and lose sight of what "art" actually is. Most of all, it isn't the toolset. Even in copyright law, it's not the ideas and format of artists which are copyrightable. It is the way that the artist expresses himself that is the copyrightable material. Now, sometimes, it is hard to discern between the expression of the artist and the other elements, but it is always the expression of the artist that makes it art. If I were to think something "crap", it's my own opinion and the art community shouldn't exclude an artist based on my opinion or even the opinion of others that think they are art critics. Artists themselves can be quite a biased bunch and I find that so unfortunate since as an artist my main purpose is to grow; not only in my art but in my life. Art is just an extension of myself.