Jack, I understand your point but I think you took what I meant to an extreme that it was not intended. I should have offered an example so that my words were not taken out of context. Example: Loading a nude Vicki, applying a prefab MAT preset, applying a prefab light set.. sticking on a hair model, loading a smart prop of some sort and then rendering it over a stock photo background. To me, that's just not artistic because for the most part...some other artist created ALL of that which was used and nothing was done to change anything. Basically it's all "cookie cutter". Tracing pictures would be much more artistic because you would still have to maintain a steady hand (hence effort). However, if you took the same items and made your own adjustments to camera and light settings, tweaked the Pose and added morphs to the hair, face etc., then you are talking all new substance.