Kudos. Yeah, that was what stopped me from using LW, though I have to say I enjoyed modeling in it alot. I wasn't able to get as much done in it as quickly as I can in MAX but I was able to understand the program a lot faster than it took me to understand MAX. If I take to cinema as quickly, I may just jump in, I need a poly program to compliment my RHino skills and so far, besides LW and MAX (both of which are too steep for me right now) I have yet to find an interface I much care for. Now, back OT: How's that there hippo coming along? I'm waiting with baited breath (oh wait, that's the fish I ate last night).