Hi Bloodsong, I think we just have to let things be and let it be a "live and let die" situation....whatever the last story line be before we see the word "The End". I have nothing against what is going here but its been pretty 'unhealthy' now. We do have other places to meet and share, not forgetting the list of Vue Web Ring from Karl Martin. Vue will live on for a long long time to come no matter how competitive the future for it will be. There will always be a place fo Vue and you bet one way or another, most Vue user be there. If you choose to leave or may be not, just make sure we all still get together just like what it use to be. Just want you to know you are needed. Also note that Artomania is not dead but just being 'deserted' for a while. Henrik is just too busy with big big $s project and I can understand that. Bill Tesign