you can't import the native c4d format directly into bryce, and vice versa. bryce whet my appetite for the world of 3d so i have recently purchased c4d for modelling - i have found that exporting an object from c4d as an obj file without any scale adjustment works best - the scale seems to become irrelavent when importing it into bryce. something you could try is, immediately upon importing a c4d obj file into bryce click on the attribute tag, check the size and then use that to adjust it to a more appropriately sized object. 3ds files from c4d also work but they don't keep their groups as well - tending to split into a long list of components instead. hope that's of some assistance djzer0 brodiss