I don't think it matters what the person's status that Trimax actually is. You -JUST-DON'T-DO-THAT. In reply to CB's message, no 4: Well, when I went to look for the thread "Seig Heil Renderosity" to do some cutting and pasting, it had been conveniently deleted. And I'm sure yo're both right... things will settle down... until another administrator or moderator gets pissed off. Some of these folks are clearly not equipped for the job. Hope to see the two of you at another site. I think I've had it with all this crap.