To all, Even BAST, I agree with Jack on one point. I am ashamed of what has become of this site. I am not one of the well known here. All I have contibuted to the free stuff is a chain most anyone could have made. And I contibuted third rate images. But you know what. I was proud of this site, and glad to be part of it. Wether it was because of Jack Ed and the others, or because it was edgenets program. I really don't know. But one thing I do know is that, this slinging has got to stop. I thought we were relatively adults here. Even those who are young and come here. We have all expressed our opinions. We have all said mainly what needs to be said. We are all missing some point. The problem is, we have heard mainly only what those involved want us to hear. And that's not enough. I don't know if I blame Ed and Jack or Edgnet for this mess. But I know they all are not telling everything(No offense to either parties. I respect you and know that human nature is to make sure people take your side. So even if you are telling everything about what is going on behind the scenes, you are still flavoring it to make you look better. Not a flame, just what I know to be true both about Jack and Ed, and Edgenet. Hell It's what I would do,) But you know what. It doesn't matter. Here we are slinging all the sht, and nothing is being resolved. I wonder why some of this junk isn't just removed. ALl it is is junk stating what idiots Jack and Ed are. Or What idiots Edgenet is. It's not going to change unless Edgenet corrects it. All that can be done by us, the members of Renderosity, is file complaints and hope the bigwigs see what tey need to see. That is, They need to see that those who were here did a damn good job and made this a plac to be proud of. The mods. the admins, even the members. I was proud to be among them. But now....I am ashamed. We all have our opinions, but the ones that matter are those of Edgenet, and those in the heart of this. Let's stop the bickering and slinging and try this the adult way. EDGENET!! LET'S TALK. LET'S REPAIR THE HOLE IN THIS SINKING SHIP BEFORE WE HIT THE BOTTOM. EDGENET. LISTEN. WE HAVE SOME SAY IN THIS SITE,FOR WITHOUT US,IT IS NOTHING. WE BRING MORE VIEWERS IN. WE BRING THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUESTED TO THIS SITE, FOR FREE OR FOR SALE. WE ARE WHAT MAKES THIS SIT SO GREAT. YOUR PROGRAM HELPS BUT WITHOUT USERS, EVEN MICROSOFT WOULD BE LEFT PENNILESS. TALK TO US EDGENET. WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO REBULD THIS WARZONE. LET'S CLEAN THIS UP AND SEE IF ANYTHING IS SALVAGEABLE. That's my rant for today. Thanks for your support guys. maybe if we work together we might get the answers we are looking for. And BAST, unless you are the Mouth of Edgenet, either work with us to correct this mess, or shut the f*k up. (yes. I cussed) We need to fix this, not drive more of those we need away. You are not needed or wanted unless you are helping to solve this.(If you are not with us, you're against us, and that makes you our enemy) end this madness Edgent. You are probably the only ones that can. Just my two coppers. TWOBLADE. D. Smith Just somone who doesn't really matter in the long run. I am only one.