philodox...you're right. maybe "show a little loyalty" is an inappropriate comment and I apologize. everyone should decide for themselves. it's a free net, right? I have no problem with profit AT ALL. it's healthy! but I prefer known quantities (ie people) to faceless companies. I'm just sorry that this whole thing has split the community, but I sincerely hope that whatever new sites come put of it that they AND Renderosity go from strength to strength. I HATE this shit! maclean