LOL.....nice to see some lightening in the tone. I am sure that everyone will help one another at anytime, they feel they can do so. Gebe, your tutorials are very good, your talent is exemplary. Tesign, just yell if you need me, I signed up for the site, but I have my learners permit only, and I haven't worked out how to post there yet. :-) I look forward to seeing all of you at both sites :) Sacred