Thanks so much for your response, Fran. I was trying to subscribe to the mailing list yesterday but the site was not available. It's not available now, either. www.apophysis.org brings up a Go Daddy page saying that it is coming soon.... I'll keep trying, though. Will the flames we've saved in the earlier version be available in the new Beta? Meaning, I guess, does the new beta install over the old one and everything is still in the folder? Thanks again for your help, Helen