And one more thing...this "I've been in the 3d community since the Earth was created" crap needs to stop. Many of us such as myself have been here a long f** ing time and have seen nothing of great value come from either JeffH or Virus other then destructive attitudes towards this community. When either of them contribute as Traveler or PhilC etc. have contributed , then they can speak in such a manner. Until then, they are nothing but vindictive and immature little leaches in my eyes.