cedar: Thank you for the input, much appreciated. He renders darker with complex global lights - I put a WIP up in the wip gallery. I'll play with Mikey 2 and see what happens. I think Mike2 head .obj's are distributable??? Somebody yell at me if I'm wrong. If you feel like blowing a wad get ZBrush...you won't believe what you can do in it morph-wise.