bloodsong, I also agree... well put, and very much in need of being said. I wasn't around for the PFO/Renderosity mess from last year, though, and I really wish I had taken my vacation this year right about now. Terrible situation, ain't it? It's amazing too, how quick so many people were to start jumping each other over it. I really don't think (anymore)that ANYONE ought to be jumped...well, maybe Edgenet, but then again I wasn't sitting in on the discussions, and so, the way I've tried to learn to look at things such as this is: "Who Knows?" Oh well, I just hope this place calms down soon. What really kind of makes me wonder though, is, "Will I too now get attacked for saying THIS?" It's happened to greater than me for lesser reasons! I'm reminded of a very famous quote from some unknown philosopher: "Shit Happens." Frankly, I'm amazed at how many people who arent' Ed or Jack or Jeff H, or Tim or Edgenet, or Renderosity have been taking this thing so seemingly personally. Do they get this angry all the time? Oh well..... Cheers! Mike< ducking for cover and wondering why