"What I see at DAZ is proprietary greed with a nice insurance salesman smile. I seem to be alone in this regard. Oh well. " Far from it. "I can't prove it, but I suspect we are already seeing a tactic that would be a little nasty. Based on using SP3 and the MDog, I suspect that DAZ is now "anti-testing" their products, by which I mean boobytrapping them so that they don't look right in P5." It has appeared for a considerable time that as if DAZ might be doing somehting like that - they're certainly not encouraging anyone to use Poser 5, and don't seem at all fussed about decent support for their products in that program. The release of MIMIC for Lightwave is also interesting, given that in theory one oculd use MIMIC for Poser with Daz Studio and Lightwave - if DAZ Studio were actually up-and-running (it's early alpha stage is still pretty, err, early). They do a lot right, but the salesman thing is smack on - they're after our money, nothing more and nothing less. While they continue to offer stuff that seems good, I'll continue to give it to them - but never take your eyes off that crocodile smile! Cheers, Cliff