I agree with IronBear.I have been in Graphic Arts since before the dawn of computers in this industry. Hell, I remember setting type from a California Job Case with a composing stick.Running a letterpress, offset press, doing intaglio printing, way before the advent of Mac's, PC's, Linux, Unix,etc.I happen to enjoy what has come about nowadays, and it REALLY looks like nothing but a pissing contest lately.Although I am not someone that has produced any work that would be recognized, I am and always will be a Graphic Artist.I love my work and I am always willing to learn something more useful. Good-Bye For now,I really hope some individuals are able to straighten out their problems and resolve their internal conflicts. Time to get back to learning something new. Spanfarkle(;>)