Flak, When I'm feeling down about stuff or have a lot going on less than 10. but when I'm feeling good about everything and the everyday distractions are less I can get up to 30 or more - not including any internet time which might or might not include learning about 3d. There was a time when I spent up to a 100 hours a week coding graphics stuff for c c++ but that was a long time ago - before Bryce, Carrara Wings, Poser etc. I'm still trying to figure out how to do all of it right but I guess the point is to keep at it even just a little...