Mike JM, I think we are dealing with artistic and creative people who are accustomed to expressing their feelings. Occasionaly thta happens before the brian takes over and we have fights and name calling. As bloodsong has pointed out here and elsewhere, it is ashame that it has happened, but it has lets amke the best of it. I DO take note of the fact that Edgenet and Tim Choate are at the very center of the storm this year just like last year. If I leave Renderosity, it will be because of what the new management do or fail to do, not becaus eof anything that anyone else has done. On the other hand I would think long and hard about donating time, effort or money to what is clearly a commercial operation just like General Moters or Microsoft. If Edgenet/Renderosity wants moderator to work for them then they should PAY for them just like any other commercial opertion does thier employees! Mike W